Newbie question here. Do any scopes come optically centered from the factory?

Thanks for your opinions.

I've noticed that on the Leapers Scope that I own. Not "exactly" optically centered but close. I made a small wooden jig with V-grooves on so the scope tube would sit on it and do an optical center test. Without any adjustment right out of the factory I got an approximate 1.5" deviation on the elevation and 0.75" deviation on the windage. Test was done on a target at 7 yards distance.

I wasn't able to test this on the included Centerpoint scope that came with my G-1 since I immediately installed it and did a sight-in of the scope and the airgun.

But I noticed something that is worth mentioning - It seems that even without counting all the clicks and divided it by 2 first I was able to achieve good results by just immediately start to test the P.O.I. relative to the P.O.A. with the scope right out of the box. I did this both with the Centerpoint and Leapers scope.

Just about 2 days ago I uninstalled my Leapers scope (got bored) and tried this "optical centering test and adjustment" again and I was able to align the reticles with a full turn revolution using my home-made scope centering jig to about 1/2" both on elevation and windage. The Leapers 3-9x50 AO Illuminated R/G responded well on the turret adjustment that I made. When I sighted-in the scope again I got more clicks to adjust on the elevation but just a little adjustment on the windage. I guess the adjustment difference has something to do with how high is the scope base mount that you use (just an idea of mine). I'm using the Accu-shot Single-piece High Mount and it fits nicely on a 50mm objective lens scope.

Here is the link on the info where I got the idea about optically centering a scope:

http://airgunadvice.net/viewtopic.php?t=6842&highlight=optics+centered

http://s74.photobucket.com/albums/i264/220swiftshooter/Rapiid%20parts/?action=view&current=P1040621.flv

http://s74.photobucket.com/albums/i264/220swiftshooter/Rapiid%20parts/?action=view&current=P1040622.flv

Here are the pics of my crudely made optical centering jig for a scope.

Hey now I understand what you and xxjrxx were talking about. I never checked my scopes before when I put them in my rings. I guess my question is wouldn't bore sighting center your parellex to the grid or mark when you bore sight the scope to the bore sighter? Honest not trying to give anyone a hard time in reguards to this matter. Just trying to understand.
thanks

Hey now I understand what you and xxjrxx were talking about. I never checked my scopes before when I put them in my rings. I guess my question is wouldn't bore sighting center your parellex to the grid or mark when you bore sight the scope to the bore sighter? Honest not trying to give anyone a hard time in reguards to this matter. Just trying to understand.
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Correct me if I'm wrong DaveShooter. I've never used a bore-sighting tool but from what I understand a bore-sighter is used to align your scope to the bore of your rifle even without firing a single ammo or pellet. They do this because they usually sight-in their rifle at 100 yards and at that distance what they want to achieve is to somehow put the P.O.I. of the bullet on paper at 100 yards. In our case using our airgun we don't sight-in our rifles at 100 yards and so very few airgunners that I know of are actually using one.

Optical centering is more of keeping the turns of your turrets equal on either clockwise or counter-clockwise rotation so that you are not pressuring the return spring of the erector tube of the scope unequally. If you start your adjustments in the middle that means you have 50/50 (equal) clicks on both rotations for a start and that is good. You can actually skip this part of testing your scope if the erector tube is optically centered to the reticle but it won't harm you if you do the test before sighting-in your scope. Some people do the divide by half method. Some do it the way the video showed it by trying to keep the reticles arrive at the same location after a full 360-degree revolution of the scope's tube. I found the method of rotating the scope's tube on a jig more reliable since you can actually see how far you are off on the adjustments compared to the count then divide by 2 method. For one thing I am not so sure if the erector tube is already floating inside the tube or still responding to any click adjustment that I make. This is just my observation and it doesn't mean that it will be the same to all when they check their scopes. The important thing here is that your turrets when rotated are giving you actual adjustments on your P.O.I. when you fire the pellet. If it doesn't respond anymore when you are rotating the turrets then the erector tube inside the scope might already be floating and would give you erratic results since the return spring is offering no resistance to keep it from moving.

A simple idea of what is inside of a scope can be found on this link: http://www.arld1.com/scopedemo.html

Hope this helps dave.

you are right about bore sighting it does align your scope to the bore, and at least gets you on paper. I go to the 2'nd line on the graph in my leupold mag bore sighter. I then take air rifle out to 10yards shoot usually low @ 10 then I go back to 20 yds pellet rises and shoot for center from there. I do find this inter-esting about the scope not being from the factory optically centered. Have you found all factory new scopes with this issue,
or problem? I am still learning and have been shootin all my life from 5 yrs old to 50 yrs mainly powder burners, and archery.
I'll still be honest I like shooting open sights guess I am like my dad he didn't like scopes . It really does suck when you can only shoot as good as you can see. It's the curse of getting older eyes Ha Ha you know what I'm talking about .
Hey I like that name speedturtle, thats cool. Thumbs

...I do find this interesting about the scope not being from the factory optically centered. Have you found all factory new scopes with this issue,or problem?

I'll still be honest I like shooting open sights guess I am like my dad he didn't like scopes . It really does suck when you can only shoot as good as you can see. It's the curse of getting older eyes Ha Ha you know what I'm talking about .

Hey I like that name speedturtle, thats cool. Thumbs

I only have a very limited exposure to airgun accessories daveshooter. With scopes I only came across 3 brands, namely Leapers, Centerpoint, and the Gamo scopes. I'm not so sure about the issue with the factory not optically centering their scopes prior to shipping. IMO it's just common sense to set up a jig that will tell these assemblers that that is the height of the turret adjusters to optically center it. I've learned that when I was trained in Japan regarding audio equipment manufacturing and assembly. These japanese engineers would make ingenious jigs to simplify the production process and lessen worker errors. Probably with some very expensive scope like Swarovski, Schmidt and Bender, NightForce they do test their scopes first by hand before shipping it to customers if it is optically centered.

My first time to try using an airgun with open sights is on a B-3. I can hit as far as 30 yards and that's it. Farther than that I'd be happy if I can hit my target out of 20 pellets! :lol: I've been wearing glasses all my life since 3rd grade so you have an idea how bad my eyesight is without any scope to help me out at longer yardages. Factor the problem of presbyopia due to age and I'd be blind without my glasses at all! :D

I got the alias speedturtle from a japanese movie about racing. I like speed. I used to do motorbike racing on street roads (never on track) with fellow bikers. The thrill of winning against these bikers with all those traffic and unpredictable situations is a blast. utmost concentration and listening to your bike is what i've learned from this experience. Technically I like it because of its paradoxical duality - "speed" - "turtle". You can't describe since you don't have to. No reason to pretend... just be. :D

heres what i do..i put the scope in V blocks and spin it."shooting range 30 yards"...get it dead nuts centered.
then put the action in me mill machine and indicate it straight...think of it like a car tire ailement...
get the frame straight...Then adjust the tires to the frame..roger? dont adjust the frame to the tires.
we can make a car go straight even tho its "crabbing"....crabbing meaning walking sideways.it's moving forward but pointing left/right.like a turret.
assuming the scope rail is true (another tweekable option).
tweek the barrel

http://s24.photobucket.com/albums/c25/fix55it/?action=view&current=CFXbarrel001.flv

http://s24.photobucket.com/albums/c25/fix55it/?action=view&current=CFXbarrel002.flv

Hey Fix, was that the barrel that you are straightening at the videos or are just checking if it is straight? Cool! Can the barrel be checked for linearity without using a milling machine? First time I saw one being done. Thanks! :thumb:

that was before and after vids.check this out....i have the action in the vise..squared up true..now im lookin down the scope.
you can see its fooked..
http://s24.photobucket.com/albums/c25/fix55it/?action=view&current=adjmountrightleft.flv

Yeah, the gauge needle just keep on increasing it's value down the tube. So how did you correct it? By lapping the rings?

I only have a very limited exposure to airgun accessories daveshooter. With scopes I only came across 3 brands, namely Leapers, Centerpoint, and the Gamo scopes. I'm not so sure about the issue with the factory not optically centering their scopes prior to shipping. IMO it's just common sense to set up a jig that will tell these assemblers that that is the height of the turret adjusters to optically center it. I've learned that when I was trained in Japan regarding audio equipment manufacturing and assembly. These japanese engineers would make ingenious jigs to simplify the production process and lessen worker errors. Probably with some very expensive scope like Swarovski, Schmidt and Bender, NightForce they do test their scopes first by hand before shipping it to customers if it is optically centered.

My first time to try using an airgun with open sights is on a B-3. I can hit as far as 30 yards and that's it. Farther than that I'd be happy if I can hit my target out of 20 pellets! :lol: I've been wearing glasses all my life since 3rd grade so you have an idea how bad my eyesight is without any scope to help me out at longer yardages. Factor the problem of presbyopia due to age and I'd be blind without my glasses at all! :D

I got the alias speedturtle from a japanese movie about racing. I like speed. I used to do motorbike racing on street roads (never on track) with fellow bikers. The thrill of winning against these bikers with all those traffic and unpredictable situations is a blast. utmost concentration and listening to your bike is what i've learned from this experience. Technically I like it because of its paradoxical duality - "speed" - "turtle". You can't describe since you don't have to. No reason to pretend... just be. :D
I do not understand manufactures either. In reguards to quality and the making of a product like you said it wouldn't take just a little time and effort to make a jig to check optical center before pushing out the door of factory to the customer. Go figure right! How long was you in Japan if ya don't mind asking? I have't been out of the USA at all looked over into Mexico once. Do you belong to phil/ american society? My wife and I use to go to the events been awhile since I have been to one. I got a kick out of those guys playing card game called guts. Take care and nice talking with ya:cheers::cheers::cheers:

I do not understand manufactures either. In reguards to quality and the making of a product like you said it wouldn't take just a little time and effort to make a jig to check optical center before pushing out the door of factory to the customer. Go figure right! How long was you in Japan if ya don't mind asking? I have't been out of the USA at all looked over into Mexico once. Do you belong to phil/ american society? My wife and I use to go to the events been awhile since I have been to one. I got a kick out of those guys playing card game called guts. Take care and nice talking with ya:cheers::cheers::cheers:
If you deal with volume then yes, the quality could suffer. Unless you're the type of guy who uses a lot of common sense to make your product better than the competition. A little additional attention to detail could go a long long way to customer satisfaction!

It's been years since I visited Japan. I've only been to other countries for technical training and marketing. Most of the time we attended equipment trade shows to update ourselves on what's new with the technology and who's who on the market. I stayed in Japan for about a month. It sure is a very nice place to live in but expensive. A very methodical type of culture but nice. Very conscious about culture and tradition. If given the chance I'd like to visit Japan again and study nihongo and Kendo. :thumb:

I don't belong to any Fil-Am community. I think there are only 2 Filipino families living within a 30 mile radius from where we live right now. :lol: It's a bit lonely being isolated in this place but I don't mind, as long as I have a tin can of CPHP and my G-1 I'm good. :D

Hey Bro,
You got family here! My karate Inst wife was from Japan. She was such a nice lady but you wouldn't want to p her off I watched her throw 4 men that weighed more than 200 lb's each around like the were hefty sandwich bags. Heck thats been more than 30 plus yrs since I last saw them. They use to invite me and my parents to their home for dinner. Great people. Sorry about my mis-spelling of Pinoy words i hope I don't offend ya. Retired singer/songwriter whom has a hard time spelling Ha Ha. Go-figure that one out. Ha Ha Did you cook that tree rat up yet? Really was a nice shot. Any othe critter's you hunt? Take care------- Thumbs!!!!!

Hey Bro,
You got family here! My karate Inst wife was from Japan. She was such a nice lady but you wouldn't want to p her off I watched her throw 4 men that weighed more than 200 lb's each around like the were hefty sandwich bags. Heck thats been more than 30 plus yrs since I last saw them. They use to invite me and my parents to their home for dinner. Great people. Sorry about my mis-spelling of Pinoy words i hope I don't offend ya. Retired singer/songwriter whom has a hard time spelling Ha Ha. Go-figure that one out. Ha Ha Did you cook that tree rat up yet? Really was a nice shot. Any othe critter's you hunt? Take care------- Thumbs!!!!!

Wow! That's awesome. If she's into Judo or Aikido then it is quite true. I'm also into martial arts but a combi of everything. I only pick and select what I can use depending on the situation I am in, just like the sifu said "you need to become one with your opponent to read his movements". :D

I might cook the nutter tomorrow when my fellow Filipino will visit the house. He's also into airgunning. He's the one who owns the B-3. Nice airgun to start with. When I got the G-1 and use the B-3 again I thought the pellet did not go through since it's so quiet compared to a powerful springer! :lol: Very nice people to meet here ar airgunone! Thanks Dave for all the thoughts! :thumb:

Friend no problem anytime. I mounted the big 3-0x50 CP on my 22 cal Rws 350 my friend and I shot the thing at 20 yds you talk about a tack driver. SP this scope is on the money. Yes I did bore sight it this crazy thing was right on the mark. I bet it will be flat out awsome on farther range I haven't had a chance to get down with some range work but I will . It got dark on us fast. Gonna wait for a sunny day to play again. My 177 cal is shooting hot as well got it on the money @ 20 yds last-nite I know that bad boy will rise at longer range. Still favoring the 22 cal for hard hitting punch.
Thumbs!!!!!!!

Yup! Those Centerpoint scopes from Crosman sure do mean business at such an affordable price! I still have the included 3-9x32 AO Centerpoint scope that came with my G-1, optically centered it using my wooden jig. Now, it's just silently waiting inside the hard case for a new airgun to put it. :D

Don't forget the head bob to check for parallax error. Optical centering and parallax adjustment are two different adjustments. Even without an AO parallax can be adjusted but it is tedious and a pain.

Wow! That's awesome. If she's into Judo or Aikido then it is quite true. I'm also into martial arts but a combi of everything. I only pick and select what I can use depending on the situation I am in, just like the sifu said "you need to become one with your opponent to read his movements". :D

I might cook the nutter tomorrow when my fellow Filipino will visit the house. He's also into airgunning. He's the one who owns the B-3. Nice airgun to start with. When I got the G-1 and use the B-3 again I thought the pellet did not go through since it's so quiet compared to a powerful springer! :lol: Very nice people to meet here ar airgunone! Thanks Dave for all the thoughts! :thumb:




I found marshal arts too sweaty so I took up Springfield .45.

Hey moe1942, You sound like Bruce Lee in the movie quote"Use the 45 much eaiser" that was movie (Enter The Dragon)
I like those 45's as well along with o'le faithful 357 mag revolver and rifle lever combo.Not to mention ya can't beat old faithful 12 ga pump shotgun best home defense weapon ever. The 12 ga rocks!!!!!!!!!! Thumbs!!!!!!!!!

Yup! Those Centerpoint scopes from Crosman sure do mean business at such an affordable price! I still have the included 3-9x32 AO Centerpoint scope that came with my G-1, optically centered it using my wooden jig. Now, it's just silently waiting inside the hard case for a new airgun to put it. :D Hey Speed what is calling to ya as far as new pellet weapon to mount that scope on? The tree nutters want to know:D You've already raged war on those critters as I have too:D:D
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Hey moe1942, You sound like Bruce Lee in the movie quote"Use the 45 much eaiser" that was movie (Enter The Dragon)
I like those 45's as well along with o'le faithful 357 mag revolver and rifle lever combo.Not to mention ya can't beat old faithful 12 ga pump shotgun best home defense weapon ever. The 12 ga rocks!!!!!!!!!! Thumbs!!!!!!!!!



Well Dave at 66 I find ass kicking too labor intensive. I will just shoot the bastards now. :D

Here in Gods country criminals are low on the totem pole. 0 percent sympathy.

Hey Speed what is calling to ya as far as new pellet weapon to mount that scope on? The tree nutters want to know:D You've already raged war on those critters as I have too:D:D
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The marauder "chief" is always showing itself to me in my dreams... always saying... "the head of the squirrel clan is angry, you have to take him out with a marauder to take away the conflict soon." :lol: :lol: :lol: There's no way that I can afford a PCP right now. So I might probably start saving right now for a Big Cat. :thumb:

The marauder "chief" is always showing itself to me in my dreams... always saying... "the head of the squirrel clan is angry, you have to take him out with a marauder to take away the conflict soon." :lol: :lol: :lol: There's no way that I can afford a PCP right now. So I might probably start saving right now for a Big Cat. :thumb:




Speed what I payed for the discovery delivered is less than I payed for my 350 mag...I don't think you'll ever see a Discovery anytime soon for #339 plus shipping.

I hope I see mine. Holup at pay pal. What a pain in the ass. Called the vendor and he is ready to ship as soon as pal pal unasses his bread..

Since this thread is about scopes I'll throw in that I just went to Wally World and got a CP 4-16x40..Still $70..Will go on the Discovery if Pay Pay ever quits dickin around..

Speed what I payed for the discovery delivered is less than I payed for my 350 mag...I don't think you'll ever see a Discovery anytime soon for #339 plus shipping.

I hope I see mine. Holup at pay pal. What a pain in the ass. Called the vendor and he is ready to ship as soon as pal pal unasses his bread..

Hey Moe, I did'nt get it. Did PayPal screwed you up on the Disco? :confused: Oh, I get it. PayPal in the one delaying the transaction. My bad. :D Never tried to use one.

Since this thread is about scopes I'll throw in that I just went to Wally World and got a CP 4-16x40..Still $70..Will go on the Discovery if Pay Pay ever quits dickin around..

I've read a lot of reviews that that CP model from Wally World is really OK. Congrats on your choice of scope for your upcoming Disco. :thumb:

speedie..ive swapped scope rings backwards and forwards..from one gun to another.pain in ass.my personal guns if anything is out of specs i'll remachine what ever needs fixing.scope rail..scope mount what ever..then finish it off with a nice lap job.

speedie..ive swapped scope rings backwards and forwards..from one gun to another.pain in ass.my personal guns if anything is out of specs i'll remachine what ever needs fixing.scope rail..scope mount what ever..then finish it off with a nice lap job.

You always make me jealous of you Fix. :lol: That's what I'm always dreaming of - to have my own small machine shop where I can do the things that I want to experiment with. :D

I've read a post from a European airgun forum regarding scope ring lapping and I was totally amazed at how accurate his PCP shoots after the correction. Well, the other side of the story is that he is using a schmidt and bender scope! This guy must be a millionaire! :lol:

That's great Fix. I firmly believe that any members here can benefit from your skills and resources as a master machinist should ever they need someone to help them out regarding airgun problems. You, Splash, Jon, and Craig are the backbones that we depend upon here at AG-1 for help. :thumb: Way to go Fix! :cheers:

Moe is thye master tool and die man..altho he wont speak of it..then theres Pete...full of craftsmanship.dont forget CAP.
and all the other thinkers with dirty hands that read these interesting subjects.

Moe is thye master tool and die man..altho he wont speak of it..then theres Pete...full of craftsmanship.dont forget CAP.
and all the other thinkers with dirty hands that read these interesting subjects.

Yup! That's the reason why I decided to stay for good at AG-1. A lot of guys with dirty hands doing the actual stuff to separate the facts from the myths of airgunning. :thumb: Not to mention too modest to really let others know how good they are! You guys are all great to be with for newbies like us! :cheers:

Moe is thye master tool and die man..altho he wont speak of it..then theres Pete...full of craftsmanship.dont forget CAP.
and all the other thinkers with dirty hands that read these interesting subjects.




Fix when it comes to machining I stand in your shadow. Don't do much whittling anymore. Still have all the equipment but only do jobs for myself or very close friends...:cheers:

Hey Moe, I did'nt get it. Did PayPal screwed you up on the Disco? :confused: Oh, I get it. PayPal in the one delaying the transaction. My bad. :D Never tried to use one.



Yes, my first experience with Pay Pal. I did get an Email this AM from pay pal saying the transaction is approved and they have advised the vendor to ship. What the hell. I used a CC and they had my money. If it wasn't such a good deal I would have pulled the plug on this transaction.

Is this the norm with pay pal???

What kept me away from considering PayPal is the 3% charge. :shame2:

AH COME ON SPEED IT'S ONLY MONEY. HA HA.NEVER ENOUGH OF THAT STUFF RIGHT! SHOT MY 350 22 CAL WITH CP 3-9X50 AGAIN LAST NIGHT MAN THOSE 14.5 RWS SUPER DOMES ARE FLAT OUT AWSOME ALONG WITH RWS SUPER H POINT 14.2 GR A CLOSE SECOUND 3RD WAS THE RWS SUPERPOINT14,5 GR THEY SHOT SLIGHTLY LOWER THAN THE REST. STILL GETTING A TIGHT CLUSTER F OF A GROUP. HEY I TOLD SOME OF YOUR JOKES TO MY FRIENDS THEY LOVED 'EM.
SO THE MARAUDER IS CALLING TO YOU FOR THOSE LITTLE TREE CREATURES. THATS A SWEET RIFLE. SHOLD HOPEFULLY BE GETTING MY DISCOVERY ON THE 6-25-09. TAKE CARE AND THUMBS!!!!!!

AH COME ON SPEED IT'S ONLY MONEY. HA HA.NEVER ENOUGH OF THAT STUFF RIGHT! SHOT MY 350 22 CAL WITH CP 3-9X50 AGAIN LAST NIGHT MAN THOSE 14.5 RWS SUPER DOMES ARE FLAT OUT AWSOME ALONG WITH RWS SUPER H POINT 14.2 GR A CLOSE SECOUND 3RD WAS THE RWS SUPERPOINT14,5 GR THEY SHOT SLIGHTLY LOWER THAN THE REST. STILL GETTING A TIGHT CLUSTER F OF A GROUP. HEY I TOLD SOME OF YOUR JOKES TO MY FRIENDS THEY LOVED 'EM.
SO THE MARAUDER IS CALLING TO YOU FOR THOSE LITTLE TREE CREATURES. THATS A SWEET RIFLE. SHOLD HOPEFULLY BE GETTING MY DISCOVERY ON THE 6-25-09. TAKE CARE AND THUMBS!!!!!!

So you've been very busy lately! Those are pretty heavy pellets there Dave. I bet even a coyote can't escape the wrath of your magnum!

I like the marauder, based on the reviews it is very good and still reasonably priced. I can't afford an 8002 so I'll start from the ground up. But that's long way from now. Good luck on your disco bro'. Hope you'll give us a blow by blow feature of her once you received it.

I like the jokes too. Too bad I was drinking coffee when I read the first one. Took me a long time before I finished cleaning the mess on the keyboard of the computer. :lol: :p

Speed ths vendor must pay the 3%. Didn't charge me unless it was in the bottom line. I can say without hesitating that pay pal is a pain in the ass.

Dave you will have a week to play with yours before I get mine. I did get some Benji Discovery 14.3 gr pellets to try in it. I have the CP scope to put on it as well. I have one on another gun and really like it.

I should hear that my Disco shipped today..

Two things speed you are crazy Ha Ha only kiddin bro. I'll keep you posted on the disco,
Hey Moe sorry about your issues with paypal that do suck'em blue. Hopefully everything on a roll for ya thumbs!!!!!
To tell you the truth speedy I laughed so hard at those jokes you told I neede that therapy session whats your fee? Ha Ha !!!!Thumbs!!!!!

Two things speed you are crazy Ha Ha only kiddin bro. I'll keep you posted on the disco,
Hey Moe sorry about your issues with paypal that do suck'em blue. Hopefully everything on a roll for ya thumbs!!!!!
To tell you the truth speedy I laughed so hard at those jokes you told I neede that therapy session whats your fee? Ha Ha !!!!Thumbs!!!!!

Well, sometimes this hobby gets so serious that we all need some laughs once in a while, don't we? :thumb: But seriously I did spit some coffee on the keyboard and some on the screen. What a mess! But a good laugh indeed! :D

Well Dave at 66 I find ass kicking too labor intensive. I will just shoot the bastards now. :D

Here in Gods country criminals are low on the totem pole. 0 percent sympathy.Hey Moe i don't blame ya I would rather shoot than kick myself :D:rockon::D

So you've been very busy lately! Those are pretty heavy pellets there Dave. I bet even a coyote can't escape the wrath of your magnum!

I like the marauder, based on the reviews it is very good and still reasonably priced. I can't afford an 8002 so I'll start from the ground up. But that's long way from now. Good luck on your disco bro'. Hope you'll give us a blow by blow feature of her once you received it.

I like the jokes too. Too bad I was drinking coffee when I read the first one. Took me a long time before I finished cleaning the mess on the keyboard of the computer. :lol: :p
Hey Speedy,
Those pellets were going through a 1/2" osb board like it was butter. Critters don't stand a chance. UPS gave me a call which was thotful to inform me my new airgun family addition will be here tommrow.
I broke down and went to wallyworld and bought a 3-9x32 cp with r/d reticle money i was holding onto for a rainny day Gonna use that rifle with lighter weight scope on rifle to hunt with. Also gonna try some Beeman 18.1 gr crow mag pellets out of the badboy to see what and how hard they smack the board on impact. I got to get away from these air toys mann it is an addiction but a good one at that:cheers::cheers::cheers::rockon::rockon::rocko n:

Well if this hobby of ours is an addiction I'd say a good addiction it is! :thumb:

Good luck on your new lady tomorrow! :rockon:

Thanks!!! You are right about a good addiction that it is my friend !!!!! Do you think o'le nuts so is gonna set one free on us?
Nuts so is N.Korea s leader pot belly pig as my buddy calls him Ha Ha !!!!! Thumbs!!!!
PS Ithink we should hit him before he sets one free on us. I do not like war anymore than anyone else to protect our country we need to do what we gotta do to survive Thumbs!!!!!

ST, maybe another thing for you to try for optical centering...
I read that this can be done with a mirror. Like a mirrored coaster or one of those candle bases ( wife's is about 8" diameter, with a beveled edge).
Thicker glass will produce better results apparently, maybe has somthing to do with better light ??.
Set the power to a lower number on variable power scopes.
match up the crosshairs to the reflected ones.
Your done.

It's supposed to work best when the end of the lens is perpendicular to the lens shroud, but will work ok if it isn't.
I was thinking you, since you seem to llike investigating things maybe, trying the mirror then putting the scope on your jig and seeing how close it is...

ST, maybe another thing for you to try for optical centering...
I read that this can be done with a mirror. Like a mirrored coaster or one of those candle bases ( wife's is about 8" diameter, with a beveled edge).
Thicker glass will produce better results apparently, maybe has somthing to do with better light ??.
Set the power to a lower number on variable power scopes.
match up the crosshairs to the reflected ones.
Your done.

It's supposed to work best when the end of the lens is perpendicular to the lens shroud, but will work ok if it isn't.
I was thinking you, since you seem to llike investigating things maybe, trying the mirror then putting the scope on your jig and seeing how close it is...

I did both of them Diar, and the use of mirror for Optical Centering a Scope is much easier. I will do a post on how to do it once I know how to make a decent pic of the reticles during the use of the mirror technique.

When I tested using the mirror technique then put the scope on my centering jig it was actually a little tinny bit closer ( a few 8th's of an inch). Either method would work but the one with the mirror technique can be done in less than 3 minutes compared to the jig that took me about 20 minutes (being meticulous maybe). :lol:

I used the bathroom mirror to do the trick at noon time so I have a lot of free sunlight to light up the reticles. Maybe this day or tomorrow I would finish the tutorial. :thumb:

Sounds good. Thought it might be worth checking out because of the time difference involved.